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	<title>Comments on: On eXistenZ and Immersion: from the Immersive Fallacy to the Immersive Apogee?</title>
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		<title>By: Mitu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike, Thanks for reading and for the comment! You&#039;re right about drug abuse, too. A recent discussion with a friend about my post led to asking, &quot;if what we perceive as reality is a collection of electrical signals in the brain and nervous system, could this be manipulated via drugs too?&quot; Really, perhaps it&#039;s the same issue.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The last sentence of the film is my favourite too. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s interesting that you use eXistenZ in your classes - do you happen to have notes available online that I could look at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, Thanks for reading and for the comment! You&#39;re right about drug abuse, too. A recent discussion with a friend about my post led to asking, &#8220;if what we perceive as reality is a collection of electrical signals in the brain and nervous system, could this be manipulated via drugs too?&#8221; Really, perhaps it&#39;s the same issue.</p>
<p>The last sentence of the film is my favourite too. :)</p>
<p>That&#39;s interesting that you use eXistenZ in your classes &#8211; do you happen to have notes available online that I could look at?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Mike Reddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Mike Reddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great write up of eXistenZ and strange hair</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Mike Reddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Mike Reddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What worries me more than total immersion in games is the opposite in real life - one example of which would be drug abuse - which is at the heart of the Realist (Terrorist?) movement in the movie.  My favourite comment in the game is the last sentence spoken...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I use eXistenZ in my first year classes each year. Thanks for providing me with another set of good follow up links!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;OH, and DEATH TO THE DEMONESS ALLEGRA GELLAR!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What worries me more than total immersion in games is the opposite in real life &#8211; one example of which would be drug abuse &#8211; which is at the heart of the Realist (Terrorist?) movement in the movie.  My favourite comment in the game is the last sentence spoken&#8230;</p>
<p>I use eXistenZ in my first year classes each year. Thanks for providing me with another set of good follow up links!</p>
<p>OH, and DEATH TO THE DEMONESS ALLEGRA GELLAR!</p>
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		<title>By: Mitu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Sorry, I just realised I never did reply to this particular comment - my apologies for taking so long!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, all this theorising really is somewhat solipistic in nature. ;) This particular theory perhaps doesn&#039;t really account for multiplayer games!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, regarding the concept of diegetic immersion and the double-consciousness of play in multiplayer games - yes, this double-consciousness is very much apparent in these scenarios, as players may frequently speak to one another out of character.  This in fact helps double-consciousness I guess, as you know you&#039;re playing, and everyone else knows you&#039;re playing and that they&#039;re playing. Players can, in the same sentence, refer to RL events as well as in-game ones, and it doesn&#039;t &#039;break&#039; the fun of play. This just adds to the engagement with the game, as it then brings about a layer of &#039;social fun&#039;, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Sorry, I just realised I never did reply to this particular comment &#8211; my apologies for taking so long!</p>
<p>Well, all this theorising really is somewhat solipistic in nature. ;) This particular theory perhaps doesn&#39;t really account for multiplayer games!</p>
<p>However, regarding the concept of diegetic immersion and the double-consciousness of play in multiplayer games &#8211; yes, this double-consciousness is very much apparent in these scenarios, as players may frequently speak to one another out of character.  This in fact helps double-consciousness I guess, as you know you&#39;re playing, and everyone else knows you&#39;re playing and that they&#39;re playing. Players can, in the same sentence, refer to RL events as well as in-game ones, and it doesn&#39;t &#39;break&#39; the fun of play. This just adds to the engagement with the game, as it then brings about a layer of &#39;social fun&#39;, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reading and commenting! It was indeed 5 days ago, though for 3 of those days my reality involved little tech and a forest, so you&#039;re excused! ;)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You raise a very valid point, and one I avoided discussing lest the post ended up at twice it&#039;s already-ridiculous length! Yes, full-body interfaces do indeed grant what I suppose we can think of as a different kind of situated immersion, perhaps? A more extreme case of this are augmented reality games, of course. These would probably fall outside of the paradigm I&#039;m talking about here (and thus break my theorising!), but then the possibility space of games is so huge, and growing all the time; I&#039;m addressing but one small part of it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Glad you enjoyed the post, and I do apologise for the potentially-difficult-to-stomach nature of my &#039;virtual rape&#039; entry, though I guess both of these posts share a common theme. Both present somewhat outlandish scenarios, though it&#039;s not outside the realms of possibility for tech to get there before too long. After all, being humans, if we *can* build it, we will; that&#039;s just what we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reading and commenting! It was indeed 5 days ago, though for 3 of those days my reality involved little tech and a forest, so you&#39;re excused! ;)</p>
<p>You raise a very valid point, and one I avoided discussing lest the post ended up at twice it&#39;s already-ridiculous length! Yes, full-body interfaces do indeed grant what I suppose we can think of as a different kind of situated immersion, perhaps? A more extreme case of this are augmented reality games, of course. These would probably fall outside of the paradigm I&#39;m talking about here (and thus break my theorising!), but then the possibility space of games is so huge, and growing all the time; I&#39;m addressing but one small part of it.</p>
<p>Glad you enjoyed the post, and I do apologise for the potentially-difficult-to-stomach nature of my &#39;virtual rape&#39; entry, though I guess both of these posts share a common theme. Both present somewhat outlandish scenarios, though it&#39;s not outside the realms of possibility for tech to get there before too long. After all, being humans, if we *can* build it, we will; that&#39;s just what we do.</p>
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